Foundation for agreement?
1) The universe exists. This is a 100% true fact.
Now you should notice that I have not defined the word “Universe” nor the word “exists”.
So, hopefully we can agree. The universe exists, I exist, and you exist. These are also 100% true facts.
2) You and I are all humans beings and we live within the universe. This is a 100% true fact.
Hopefully we are all still in agreement, again I haven’t defined or qualified ‘live’, and ‘live within’.
3) The Universe is an interactive process/structure of matter and energy. All of this interaction and structure does so in an orderly way. There is an order to how all things exist and interact with other existing things. This is a 100%true fact.
4) Broadly speaking, for humans, the study of this order is the process called science. Science is the attempt by humans to make metaphoric maps of how the universe and everything in the universe exist and interact. Science attempts to lay out explanations of how things in the universe exist in ways that can be tested as either being true or false. Sometimes the test and the answers that result from those tests are only degrees of truth or falseness.
5) The universe being in orderly place of interacting matter/energy means that there are limitations on how the universe as a whole and all the parts that makes up the universe, function. That statement is a 100% true fact. What those limitations are is one of the things science tries to describe.
Are we all still in agreement?
6) The statement: ‘The Divine exists’, is not a provable fact. The statement that ‘The Divine exists’ is a human opinion that cannot be proven as true or false.
The consequences of statement 6 are the following:
7) Every statement, or collections of statements that have or will ever be spoken or written in all human languages concerning the nature of and the activities of the Divine is therefore also an opinion. Opinions about the Divine can only be true in the sense it is true that X person made that statement or X person believe the truth of the opinion s/he made.
If you agree with statement 6 then statement 7 is an inevitable logic consequence.
Statement 7 is all-inclusive. It means everything that I write or that you write are all our opinions, which cannot be proven. All that we can ask is and demand of each other is that our opinions should be consistently logical.
8) If we agree that we all want to discuss and consider that statement 6 is true, despite the fact that we cannot prove statement 6, we will agree that it is our collective opinion that we all believe that it is an opinion we all truly believe in.
9) The Divine is infinite.
10) The Divine is to the universe as the mind/spirit/soul is to an individual human’s body.
These statements 9 – 10 are my opinions, perhaps ones that we can agree on, despite the fact that they cannot be proven.
11) If the Divine exists its existence must be consistent with statements 1 – 5 and therefore the Divine although infinite is limited by the rules or laws concerning how the universe functions. This is what logical consistency demands.
12) Now if we agree on the statements 6 – 11, then it can be our agreed opinion that all the books that collectively can be labeled ‘Sacred Scriptures’, such as the Torah, the New Testament, the Koran, the Zohar, Upanishads, Tao Te Ching, etc., were the result of some yet unspecified process of communication between the Divine and some human being or beings.
13) Statement 7 means that all the books that collectively can be labeled ‘Sacred Scriptures’, all of them are the opinions of the human authors, whoever they are. These books were written in a human language and are the products of the limitations of finite human beings.
These 13 statements are guiding principles. They are I believe a solid basis upon which to conduct our ongoing exchanges about the Divine.
The consequences of these 13 statements is that since the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Scriptures is only an opinion and much of what it contains is not an historically true account of what occurred on this planet Earth.
Another consequence of those 13 statements is that Adam and Eve are thus fictional characters. Or Mythic characters like the myths told about the 12 labors of Hercules. Myths have valid purposes. But myths are not historically real accounts of actual historical events.
Another consequence of those 13 statements is that the claim that Jesus is the messiah is a statement of an opinion and not a statement that is true. The statement that the Earth rotates around the Sun is true. Any and all statements about Jesus being the messiah are not statements that have truth akin to the prior statement concerning the sun and the earth.
I can chose to join in on the mythic discussion of the story of Adam and Eve, or the story of Jesus being the messiah, but I have agreed to enter into a conversation which is akin to discussing for the sake of entertainment the fictional proposition: what if we pretend that Sherlock Holmes and Dr. James Watson were real people.
Another consequence of these 13 statements is that much of what Peter has said concerning Adam, Eve, the Divine, Jesus, etc, is his opinion and nothing that is actually true. I can choose to play the game of pretending that Adam, Eve, the Divine and the idea that Jesus is the Messiah, but it is a game of 'What if'. Most, if not all, of it cannot be proven.
I can also completely or partially disagree with Peter's or anyone else’s story concerning Adam, Eve, the Divine, Jesus, etc. I can make up my own. I can state my own opinions, and even claim that there are the results of communications I had with the Divine.
In the end all statements about things beyond the physical concerning the nature of things such as the soul, spirit, and the divine, are not provable. All of it is an opinion.
What we can require of each other is logical consistency.

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